and the world now accepts whether it is pakistan or india or whatever it might be. so that seems to be where experts believe north korea is headed. so then the question is what do you do about it? how do you contain that kind of thing? and how in the words of the scientists i've been talking to, do you make sure you don't build more of them, better bombs and proliferate the bombs. so, you know, they're on that way. i'm afraid to say, it reminds me of iran even though iran claims it doesn't have nuclear weapons. it is saying to the world that it will be taken seriously as a nuclear power. it wants the right to enrich and no amount of discussions, sanction, anything else has changed that equation right now in iran or in north korea which is way further ahead than iran with actual, you know, bomb capacity even though it has not, according to the best estimates and the best analysis, it is not yet been weaponized and put on missiles. >> good assessment from both of you. we'll see you back here tomorrow. the story, obviously, not going away. please be sure to watch "aman